I was reading Beauty vs The Beast and came across The National Center For Men website regarding ROE vs. WADE… FOR MEN. Here is the jest of it…
Our lawsuit will be filed on behalf of Matt Dubay, 25, a computer technician from Saginaw, Michigan. The state of Michigan is seeking to force Matt to pay child support for a child he never intended to bring into the world. Matt insists that the child’s mother repeatedly assured him she could not get pregnant and, also, Matt says that she knew he did not want to have a child with her. Matt is asking for the reproductive choice he would have had if he were “Mattilda.”
Immediately upon the filing of Roe vs. Wade for Men, The National Center For Men will begin distribution of its Reproductive Rights Affidavit, intended to be filed in court by a man and designed to give men legal rights in matters of procreation. We think it will encourage men and women to make family planning decisions together, as equal partners, by giving a man a voice but without interfering with a woman’s right to choose. It reads, in part:
“I will not recognize the moral authority of a court to strip me of my constitutional right to reproductive choice. I will challenge any court order that seeks to impose a parental obligation upon me against my will by asserting my right to equal protection of the law.”
I have to admit – I’m torn about where I stand on this issue.
I mean, over the years, I have seen a whole lot of things. An old girl friend of mine got pregnant on purpose trying to keep her man during a break-up. So out of spite and jealousy, knowing the father didn’t want any more kids and took precautions to prevent it, she got pregnant. When she realized that the man wasn’t gonna stay with her despite her being pregnant she demanded he pay child support. I mean, she wanted money for a child she KNEW he didn’t want and tried to prevent. They were still living together at the time and I remember conversations with her where he would refuse to have sex with her and she would try and get him to do things in his sleep!!! She even poked holes in his condoms!
SERIOUSLY!
(We are no longer friends…)
Knowing that this type of woman exists in the world it’s hard to say the man is totally at fault in every situation. I mean, she made the choice to not take the pill. She poked holes in the condoms without his knowledge. She made the conscious effort to put him in situations to trap him into a pregnancy. I mean, my old friend’s boyfriend didn’t ask for pregnancy. He was trying to get out of a relationship that could produce one. He begged her to have an abortion and prior to the pregnancy he took precautions to the best of his ability even refusing sex.
Can it be proven in a court of law? I mean, what really happened in the privacy of their home isn’t something that can be proven. However, it would stand a chance if they had a witness like me that heard her admit to it. Even with that said, how many ‘best friends’ or ‘confidants’ would come forward to testify for fear of ruining a friendship, family or whatever?
Is this what happened in this particular case that is going to court? NO. I don’t think so but it could have happened this way. If it happened this way I would want to side with the dude. I mean, she sabotaged him and she openly admitted it! How could that be fair? Fair or not, ultimately – if you have sex you risk the possibility of a child and every adult and most children know this.
I mean, think about it. Is it the child’s fault his mother is a dumbass? Should the child suffer in poverty because of it? Should we as tax payers have to pay for her welfare because he refuses to pay child support? Even though I would feel bad for the dude that he got a bum wrap I still wouldn’t want to pay for his stupidity. I mean he is the one that laid down with a psycho. As harsh as it is to hear – it’s the truth.
I mean, if the dude took no precautions and left all of the birth control methods up to the woman then the dude pretty much lost whatever sympathy I might hold for him. I mean, women forget to take pills. We’re human! Even when taken everyday, the pill is only 99.9% effective when you do take it. I know of two people right now that took their pills religiously and STILL got pregnant. Why the hell isn’t he wrapping his danger wand in the rubber mask anyway? And going back to what every knows… when you have sex no matter how much you don’t want to have a child – there is always that possibility. It’s something both parties involved have to own up to - emotionally, physically & financially….
I have also known about situations where the woman gets an abortion and the man wanted the child. The pain that some women have caused men over this issue is crazy. I mean, they have absolutely no say on whether their child gets to live or not. This is something I don’t agree with but then again, it fights with the argument of a woman’s rights over her own body. Should she have to have a child that she doesn’t want and can’t afford?
Where do I stand on that whole abortion issue? Well, I believe that life begins at conception just as a seed begins to grow when it’s planted. It’s alive. However, I’m pro-life with a twist maybe…?
With that being said, if a woman was raped and a pregnancy resulted I would rather have the women have a baby and give it up for adoption than abort it. Even so, I do understand why this would be difficult to do and I support a woman’s decision to abort in this case. If a woman’s life is in danger because of the pregnancy and she will die because of it - this is another instance where I think abortion is an option. These two situations are pretty much the only time that my views waver from the pro-life stance.
I don’t want to get into any type of heated debate or anything because I realize that not everyone shares these views. In fact, sometimes I struggle with my own views staying the same on this issue. It would be hard to condemn another person for not sharing these ideas because in the end, I’m only accountable to my maker. He/She will judge my actions and mine alone. I can’t concern myself with how other people feel about something, ya know?
Ultimately this man is on a mission to acquire equal rights to the woman in this pregnancy issue. I admire his stance yet I can see where he has a very large up-hill battle. I mean, this lawsuit will truly change things if it’s won. We can only wait and see what happens in this case and in the mean time everyone can decide where they stand….
Our lawsuit will be filed on behalf of Matt Dubay, 25, a computer technician from Saginaw, Michigan. The state of Michigan is seeking to force Matt to pay child support for a child he never intended to bring into the world. Matt insists that the child’s mother repeatedly assured him she could not get pregnant and, also, Matt says that she knew he did not want to have a child with her. Matt is asking for the reproductive choice he would have had if he were “Mattilda.”
Immediately upon the filing of Roe vs. Wade for Men, The National Center For Men will begin distribution of its Reproductive Rights Affidavit, intended to be filed in court by a man and designed to give men legal rights in matters of procreation. We think it will encourage men and women to make family planning decisions together, as equal partners, by giving a man a voice but without interfering with a woman’s right to choose. It reads, in part:
“I will not recognize the moral authority of a court to strip me of my constitutional right to reproductive choice. I will challenge any court order that seeks to impose a parental obligation upon me against my will by asserting my right to equal protection of the law.”
I have to admit – I’m torn about where I stand on this issue.
I mean, over the years, I have seen a whole lot of things. An old girl friend of mine got pregnant on purpose trying to keep her man during a break-up. So out of spite and jealousy, knowing the father didn’t want any more kids and took precautions to prevent it, she got pregnant. When she realized that the man wasn’t gonna stay with her despite her being pregnant she demanded he pay child support. I mean, she wanted money for a child she KNEW he didn’t want and tried to prevent. They were still living together at the time and I remember conversations with her where he would refuse to have sex with her and she would try and get him to do things in his sleep!!! She even poked holes in his condoms!
SERIOUSLY!
(We are no longer friends…)
Knowing that this type of woman exists in the world it’s hard to say the man is totally at fault in every situation. I mean, she made the choice to not take the pill. She poked holes in the condoms without his knowledge. She made the conscious effort to put him in situations to trap him into a pregnancy. I mean, my old friend’s boyfriend didn’t ask for pregnancy. He was trying to get out of a relationship that could produce one. He begged her to have an abortion and prior to the pregnancy he took precautions to the best of his ability even refusing sex.
Can it be proven in a court of law? I mean, what really happened in the privacy of their home isn’t something that can be proven. However, it would stand a chance if they had a witness like me that heard her admit to it. Even with that said, how many ‘best friends’ or ‘confidants’ would come forward to testify for fear of ruining a friendship, family or whatever?
Is this what happened in this particular case that is going to court? NO. I don’t think so but it could have happened this way. If it happened this way I would want to side with the dude. I mean, she sabotaged him and she openly admitted it! How could that be fair? Fair or not, ultimately – if you have sex you risk the possibility of a child and every adult and most children know this.
I mean, think about it. Is it the child’s fault his mother is a dumbass? Should the child suffer in poverty because of it? Should we as tax payers have to pay for her welfare because he refuses to pay child support? Even though I would feel bad for the dude that he got a bum wrap I still wouldn’t want to pay for his stupidity. I mean he is the one that laid down with a psycho. As harsh as it is to hear – it’s the truth.
I mean, if the dude took no precautions and left all of the birth control methods up to the woman then the dude pretty much lost whatever sympathy I might hold for him. I mean, women forget to take pills. We’re human! Even when taken everyday, the pill is only 99.9% effective when you do take it. I know of two people right now that took their pills religiously and STILL got pregnant. Why the hell isn’t he wrapping his danger wand in the rubber mask anyway? And going back to what every knows… when you have sex no matter how much you don’t want to have a child – there is always that possibility. It’s something both parties involved have to own up to - emotionally, physically & financially….
I have also known about situations where the woman gets an abortion and the man wanted the child. The pain that some women have caused men over this issue is crazy. I mean, they have absolutely no say on whether their child gets to live or not. This is something I don’t agree with but then again, it fights with the argument of a woman’s rights over her own body. Should she have to have a child that she doesn’t want and can’t afford?
Where do I stand on that whole abortion issue? Well, I believe that life begins at conception just as a seed begins to grow when it’s planted. It’s alive. However, I’m pro-life with a twist maybe…?
With that being said, if a woman was raped and a pregnancy resulted I would rather have the women have a baby and give it up for adoption than abort it. Even so, I do understand why this would be difficult to do and I support a woman’s decision to abort in this case. If a woman’s life is in danger because of the pregnancy and she will die because of it - this is another instance where I think abortion is an option. These two situations are pretty much the only time that my views waver from the pro-life stance.
I don’t want to get into any type of heated debate or anything because I realize that not everyone shares these views. In fact, sometimes I struggle with my own views staying the same on this issue. It would be hard to condemn another person for not sharing these ideas because in the end, I’m only accountable to my maker. He/She will judge my actions and mine alone. I can’t concern myself with how other people feel about something, ya know?
Ultimately this man is on a mission to acquire equal rights to the woman in this pregnancy issue. I admire his stance yet I can see where he has a very large up-hill battle. I mean, this lawsuit will truly change things if it’s won. We can only wait and see what happens in this case and in the mean time everyone can decide where they stand….
5 comments:
roe vs. wade for men....isn't that a cologne?
If thats the case, then it STILL stinks. This case is dangerous and i will tell you why. Regardless of INTENT, if consenting adults decide to play hide the nightstick, then there is STILL an inherant reponsibility that that comes with the territory.
You wanna play get the nookie? Then if the buns in the oven, BOTH adults GOTTA PAY! Not the babys fault now is it?
Otherwise this asshole shoulda just rented a frigging porno and stayed te hell home!
Smell what I am cooking?
There are FAR better venues for mens rights than this jerks case. This jackasss is advocating sex w/o responsibility, and as a man, I am ashamed because of it!
I could care less what his girlfrind did or didn't do. Its irrelevant. He should have kept wee willie winky in his pants then.
I think he should LOSE, and LOSE big!
By the way-Nuff said!
Thank you twolf1920.
If you choose to have sex - even when both parties are responsible and use their own protection, you are accepting that a baby is a possible outcome, whether you want to admit it or not. That's life! Pun intended. And your ex-friend's boyfriend is still responsible for the child she forced on him. If he were really trying that hard to get out of the relationship he would have got up and walked out, left, stayed with a friend til he could find a place of his own and certainly stopped having sex with her. In the end there really isn't room for sympathy because that's what sex is for - making babys. Don't like it stay "out".
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